Phil Valentine, the Rush Limbaugh-wannabe who now writes a weekly column for the Tennessean, believes that although waterboarding should be considered torture, it should still be allowed in U.S. interrogations:
To answer that question, one must know exactly what waterboarding is. This is a technique of last resort used by interrogators. The prisoner's face is covered with cellophane. Water is then poured over the cellophane. It's said to trigger an unbearable gag reflex. There's no lasting physical damage but there is the possibility of recurring nightmares over the procedure. Is that torture? The presidential candidates have been dancing around that very question. I think there's no question that it is. Should it be off limits to U.S. military and intelligence officials? That's another question altogether.
First of all, it shouldn't be another question altogether. If waterboarding is in fact torture, then under U.S. law, it is ILLEGAL. I suppose if you still had a rubber-stamp Republican Congress in place, they could amend the law so that waterboarding could be allowed, but as it stands now, acts of torture are still illegal.
And by the way Mr. Valentine, aren't you the one who's always saying that you're against illegal immigrants not because they're Hispanic, but because they're breaking the law? Does this mean that you only want certain laws enforced and don't mind bending other ones?
The rest of the op-ed is equally disingenuous. Take, for example, Valentine's attempt to counter John McCain's argument as to why the U.S. should not torture:
His opinion is that torture should never be used by the United States. One reason he gives is that it didn't work on him. The reason it didn't work on him is because he didn't know anything.
Uh, no, that's not why it didn't work. It didn't work because he lied to the Viet Cong and told them anything to get them to stop. When asked for the names in his squadron, he gave them the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line. McCain's point is that torture produces bad intelligence. For all we know, the detainees at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are doing the same to us, making stuff up in order to save themselves. Valentine brought up the case of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whom he claims gave up valuable information and saved lives after we waterboarded him. However, we also know that KSM gave us a good deal of misinformation as well, proving McCain's argument.
So what we have is yet another conservative who never served a day in the military trying to pretend like they understand this subject better than a Vietnam War hero.
Other examples of disingenuousness:
Any kind of torture should be used sparingly...
How sparingly? Specifics?
...and have knowledge crucial to saving lives.
But how would we know that in advance? Our troops aren't psychic, how would they know what the prisoners know before they started the interrogation? Seems to me that by that logic, you'd either have to torture everyone just to err on the side of caution, or torture none of them because you wouldn't know in advance what, if any, information they have!
Finally, all of this assumes that those performing the interrogations know exactly what they're doing, that they never make mistakes. But what happens when something goes wrong? Humans are not perfect, mistakes are inevitable. Mr. Valentine, have you even considered the implications of what might happen if someone were to die in U.S. custody while in the process of being waterboarded?
And if nothing else, this should give you pause:
Even if you think waterboarding should be allowed, the fact that the troops performing the interrogations have so few guidelines that they're relying on a fictional TV show to figure out what to do should scare the hell out of you.I learned how some of the young American military interrogators in Iraq, in places like Mosul, Fallujah and, of course, Abu Ghraib, used “24”’s screenplays as a guidebook when trying to figure out the right way to extract information from detainees. Lacking leadership from the likes of Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush, they turned instead to Jack Bauer for insight and inspiration.
“All the people who were actually conducting interrogations were privates or specialists who had no idea what they were doing,” Tony Lagouranis, a former U.S. Army interrogator at Abu Ghraib, said in an interview. “[The Bush Administration] said the Geneva Conventions don’t apply, so we had no idea what the rules were. They took away our rules and our training, so we really had nothing to fall back on, and the only role models we had were from TV and movies.”
So Mr. Valentine, let's review. Torture doesn't work, it produces bad intelligence, and it negates the U.S.'s moral high ground. Even if that wasn't the case, torture would only work if everyone involved in the interrogations knew exactly what they were doing, and as we've seen, they often don't.
Maybe you ought to stick to bashing immigrants. It seems to be more your forte, and unlike military actions, it's a subject you actually know something about.






